Hard as it is not to tell a JW that they are believing a certain GB lie as opposed to a Bible truth, (e.g. you must confess your seriously juicy sins to 3 elders) posing the statement as a question may plant a seed in the JW mind, rather than inciting them to adopt "apostate defence mode" and clamming up.
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What would you say?
by Freedom rocks inif you had 2 minutes with an old witness friend or with a family member to convince them the 'truth' is a lie and the gb isnt being directed by god what would you say to get their attention that might make them question their beliefs?.
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My Boyfriend's Family Wants to Meet Mine (My Parent's are JWs) Help!
by LaurenM inso i have been "faded" for approximately 2.5 years.
my parents know i haven't attended a meeting in quite some time, but don't know that i have been dating a guy for about eight months.
we really love each other and his family is super sweet.
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The Fall Guy
Sad to say, but it's certain that you're not going to come out of this unscathed.
Sooner or later, your parents will find out about your "worldly" boyfriend. You can then expect an ultimatum from them - it's either "God's organization," or the boyfriend. And of course, the threat that you will be cutting yourself off from them by your choice. Get ready.
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Evangelical Cult's Miracle Giant Carrots
by The Fall Guy inhow can the wtbts cult compete against such proof?????????.
at 22 mins.
45 secs.
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The Fall Guy
How can the WTBTS cult compete against such proof?????????
At 22 mins. 45 secs. the film-maker makes a profound statement which fully applies to the JW mindset & other cults - don't question the teachings or business empire;
"The truth is bad for business."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBNbSqxUbi0
At least the WTBTS doesn't have its own corporate jet - yet!
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Conversation
by jdash inso this morning i had a conversation with my grandmother about going out in service.
remind you i'm only 17. i tried to ask her why i had to go out in service if this isn't what i believe in and whatnot.
she went on saying basically these are the rules for this house.
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The Fall Guy
jdash - As others have advised you, bite your tongue. You are not in a good position at the moment to teach any JW about TTATT, but don't worry, you will have tons of time and opportunity to do so in the coming years.
Ride out the next few months until you are no longer a minor, then fade rapidly - stating "private & personal" reasons. Best wishes.
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Lurkers
by Freedom rocks indo you think elders and gb members monitor this site to catch people?.
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In any business it would be negligent stupidity not to monitor public opinion/press reports/media forums to see what your enemies/competitors were saying about you.
The WTBTS is first & foremost a business, and as such, you can bet your house on it that they will have assigned "spiritually mature brothers" to police sites such as this - all in the name of identifying copyright infringements no doubt.
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This is my story
by paradiseseeker ini've already posted in this forum but i haven't told you my story.
nowadays i'm a pimo in my late 20s from spain.. i was born in the cult and i can say that during my whole childhood and most of my teenage years i believed in this.
however, i felt that here was something wrong with me, as i wasn't comfortable telling people i was jw, talking about jw stuff, nor did i feel "excited" and "grateful" whenever a watchtower publication told me that i should.
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Best wishes Paradiseseekeer.
You've got your life-course decided, now you have to decide how "gentle" or "hard" your exit from the cult will be. There are are consequences associated with both choices. I hope you emerge as unscathed as possible.
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Welcome to all the newbies and lurkers that have joined this forum lately.
by smiddy3 ini`m sure you have all noticed the ever increasing number of newbies and lurkers who have visited this site over the past months and i am sure we could all collectively welcome them to this site and support them on learning the ttatt .
and helping them to navigate how they can look up older publications and quotes of the wtb&ts that they would rather remain hidden.. we all know jehovah`s witnesses /governing body never apologizes for mistakes they make they just don`t mention them anymore and explain it away as new light from god.. actually a big cop out.. welcome to all you who are new to this site .. every day their seems to be someone new posting which is great .. and if this is any indication of what is happening in all other ex jw sites the wtb&ts are in deep trouble .
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The Fall Guy
Well said Smiddy.
I now have to catch up on what's been happening after having had a nice winter break in warmer climes.
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Goodbye my friends.
by StephaneLaliberte infor almost 12 years now, i have been coming to this site on a regular basis and in the last 5, i “faded out”.
i never regretted this and never will.
unfortunately though, yesterday, i realized that, until i can publically tell all my old acquaintances why i have left, i will never be truly free.
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Best wishes Stephane for a happy future without any JW-speak in it.
What a glorious thought - but sadly, many of us have to fade gently without triggering the apostate alarm.
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Babylon The Great and JWs
by Ireneus injws teach babylon the great is the whole empire of false religion.
interestingly, bible’s definition of it would include jws also because it is the entity “that rules over the kings of the earth.” (rev 17:18) since revelation is given in symbols (rev 1:1) “kings” cannot be literal, but can mean minds of people because mind acts like king over everyone’s bodily kingdom.. no one exerts power over the minds of jws like their gb does.
just like members of other religions blindly follow what their leaders teach, jws too do—even when changes that are introduced under the guise of “new light” are virtually numerous.
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Grammatically & logically, since Babylon the Great is defined as "the mother of the harlots," (plural) then clearly "she" cannot be a single worldwide conglomerate of religions, but rather the single greatest "harlot" which engendered all the rest.
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Are JWs capable of a genuine discussion?
by stuckinarut2 ini was just pondering whether jws are capable of having a calm, in depth discussion about religious or faith topics?.
i have just finished listening to a great podcast by "dogma debate" (dan) episode 333. this fantastic, in-depth conversation between a theist and an atheist was a masterful example of how a dignified conversation can take place without it resorting to abruptness or even nastiness.. jws on the other hand seem incapable of having such discussion without ending up in the following ways:.
1)they get dogmatic and defensive if a differing view is presented.. 2)if the conversation doesn't go their way, they cut it short saying something like "well, we had better agree to disagree" or the like.. so why the arrogance?
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If JW's were totally honest, they would have to admit that they are instructed - directly or indirectly - not to even listen to teachings/arguments/debates which conflict with their "faithful slave's" propaganda.
The WTBTS's "truth" is so weak that its adherents cannot have a serious Biblical discussion to defend it.
Even the trolley-zombies are programmed to "avoid arguments" by directing questioners to the JW website.